The Founder Who Built a 120M Software Empire Without an MBA (And Why He Says You Shouldn't Obtain One Either)
Joe Liemandt dropped out of Stanford in 1989 to start Trilogy Software.
At its peak, the company hit 120M in annual revenue and became a major player in enterprise software. Later, he founded ESW Capital, which specializes in buying struggling software companies and turning them profitable.
When podcaster Codie Sanchez asked him if people should obtain an MBA, his answer was immediate:
“No. That’s an easy one for me.”
His reasoning? You wont learn a fraction of what you’d gain from building your own thing for those same two years.
The MBA vs. Entrepreneur Mindset
Liemandt defined the difference he sees between those who pursue a two-year MBA program and those who go straight into building companies:
“Entrepreneurs believe they’re going to change the world, no matter what everybody else thinks. This is your challenge as an MBA: You’re going to look at the spreadsheet and you’re going to say, ‘that cell doesn’t work, so the spreadsheet doesn’t work. So I’m not going to do this idea.’”
He argued that entrepreneurs look at challenges differently:
“An entrepreneur looks at that cell and says, ‘I will change that cell. I will make that work.’ If you’re going to be a builder and an entrepreneur, you’re gonna go change reality. That is what you do.”
But Is an MBA Really Not Worth It?
The numbers tell a more complex story.
A two-year program at Harvard Business School runs around 250,000 (including tuition and other expenses). But the median base salary for 2025 HBS MBA grads was 184,500, plus a 30,000 signing incentive—about three times the U.S. overall median full-time salary.
And an MBA is the go-to degree for about 40 percentage of Fortune 1000 executives.
Joy Jones, CEO of the Graduate Management Admission Council, previously told Fortune:
“When making pivots that often need to be made as a business leader, it’s those soft skills that help motivate people to be agile and flexible in taking on challenges they may feel are slightly beyond their current capabilities.”
The College Dropout Club
Of course, plenty of successful businesspeople made it to the top without an MBA—or even an undergraduate degree.
Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, and Mark Zuckerberg are college dropouts who became megafounders.
Jobs said at the 2005 Stanford commencement ceremony:
“Truth be told, I did not graduate from college. This is the closest I’ve ever gotten to a college graduation. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back it was one of the decisions I ever made.”
So What’s the Real Answer?
The MBA vs. no-MBA debate isn’t binary.
For some, an MBA provides:
Credibility and network entry into top firms
Structured learning in strategy, operations, and leadership
A reset button to pivot careers
For others, building something from scratch provides:
Real-world challenge-solving under pressure
Ownership and skin in the game
Speed to market and execution experience
Liemandt’s point isn’t that MBAs are useless—it’s that for entrepreneurs specifically, the comparison of two years in school versus two years building can be massive.
If you’re trying to break into consulting, banking, or corporate strategy, an MBA from a top program is still one of the most reliable pathways.
But if you’re building a company? Liemandt’s message is clear: You’ll learn more by doing.
What Liemandt Did Differently
Liemandt was so dedicated to learning on the job that Trilogy Software established Trilogy University—an intensive training boot camp for hires that inspired similar programs at Google and Facebook.
This wasn’t just about skipping school. It was about building a culture of execution, learning by doing, and creating systems that trained people faster than traditional education could.
The Takeaway
Joe Liemandt’s stance on MBAs isn’t about dismissing education. It’s about recognizing that for builders, the most valuable education comes from building.
If you’re raising capital, managing a fund, or leading a company, the question isn’t “Do I need an MBA?” It’s “What’s the fastest path to the skills and network I need to succeed?”
For some, that’s business school. For others, it’s launching, failing, iterating, and scaling.
Liemandt chose the latter—and built a 120M software empire in the process.
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Disclaimer
This material is for informational purposes solely and does not represent a commitment or assurance of funding, earnings, or job placement. Results will vary and are not typical.